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		<title>By: Dore documentary &#171; The use and abuse of research</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dore documentary &#171; The use and abuse of research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The use and abuse of research PPA 117 How research is used and reported      &#171; Dore, bloggers and Bad&#160;Science [...]</description>
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		<title>By: brainduck</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!

The thing about looking at the Dore research on their website is that they repeatedly mis-represent their findings. For example, they use percentages to express &#039;improvement&#039; in ordinal data. It&#039;s like lining a class up from shortest to tallest, then saying that the 5th tallest is twice as tall as the 10th tallest. Percentages sound nice &amp; science-y, &amp; they look dramatic, but they just aren&#039;t an appropriate way to talk about that sort of data.

BTW, looking at you earlier &#039;compare &amp; contrast&#039; post on Dore, I&#039;d strongly suggest this excellent Australian documentary:
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1994872.htm
After it was aired, Dore Australia had 50% fewer people sign up. It really is the best 45 minutes you could spend on an introduction to the area. Unusually, it also gives free full-text access to most of the most relevant research papers: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1997868.htm

Gimpy&#039;s linked to just about everything from the blogs covering Dore in this post: http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/dore-clients-are-unlikely-to-recieve-refunds-more-media-coverage-and-a-collection-of-links/

The Australian &#039;Administrators report to Creditors&#039; on this page is also revealing, though in financial-ese: http://www.woodgateco.com.au/creditor.php

Finally, &#039;Translucent Science&#039; was set up by some of the bloggers involved, for the purpose of communicating with the mainstream media since Dore&#039;s collapse: http://translucentscience.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>The thing about looking at the Dore research on their website is that they repeatedly mis-represent their findings. For example, they use percentages to express &#8216;improvement&#8217; in ordinal data. It&#8217;s like lining a class up from shortest to tallest, then saying that the 5th tallest is twice as tall as the 10th tallest. Percentages sound nice &amp; science-y, &amp; they look dramatic, but they just aren&#8217;t an appropriate way to talk about that sort of data.</p>
<p>BTW, looking at you earlier &#8216;compare &amp; contrast&#8217; post on Dore, I&#8217;d strongly suggest this excellent Australian documentary:<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1994872.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1994872.htm</a><br />
After it was aired, Dore Australia had 50% fewer people sign up. It really is the best 45 minutes you could spend on an introduction to the area. Unusually, it also gives free full-text access to most of the most relevant research papers: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1997868.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1997868.htm</a></p>
<p>Gimpy&#8217;s linked to just about everything from the blogs covering Dore in this post: <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/dore-clients-are-unlikely-to-recieve-refunds-more-media-coverage-and-a-collection-of-links/" rel="nofollow">http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/dore-clients-are-unlikely-to-recieve-refunds-more-media-coverage-and-a-collection-of-links/</a></p>
<p>The Australian &#8216;Administrators report to Creditors&#8217; on this page is also revealing, though in financial-ese: <a href="http://www.woodgateco.com.au/creditor.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodgateco.com.au/creditor.php</a></p>
<p>Finally, &#8216;Translucent Science&#8217; was set up by some of the bloggers involved, for the purpose of communicating with the mainstream media since Dore&#8217;s collapse: <a href="http://translucentscience.com/" rel="nofollow">http://translucentscience.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: iconpartnership</title>
		<link>http://iconpartnership.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/dore-bloggers-and-bad-science/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>iconpartnership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brainduck, dear readers, is something of an authority on Dore research.
http://brainduck.wordpress.com/

We have links to Dore journal articles from this site with some contextual comments.
http://iconpartnership.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/compare-and-contrast/#more-27

Or go direct
http://www.dore.co.uk/Research/DoreResearch.aspx

This is something many journalists have not done, or they have not understood what they were reading, or they have not cared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brainduck, dear readers, is something of an authority on Dore research.<br />
<a href="http://brainduck.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://brainduck.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>We have links to Dore journal articles from this site with some contextual comments.<br />
<a href="http://iconpartnership.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/compare-and-contrast/#more-27" rel="nofollow">http://iconpartnership.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/compare-and-contrast/#more-27</a></p>
<p>Or go direct<br />
<a href="http://www.dore.co.uk/Research/DoreResearch.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.dore.co.uk/Research/DoreResearch.aspx</a></p>
<p>This is something many journalists have not done, or they have not understood what they were reading, or they have not cared.</p>
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		<title>By: brainduck</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!
The Australian administrators said that take-up of Dore dropped by 50% after a documentary which clearly laid out the issues with the research was broadcast, and the lack of research probably helped stop it getting into schools, so I hope it had at least a bit to do with that.
The frustrating bit is that any journalists would just have had to read the abstracts of the two journal articles published on Dore to see that even there, the results were a lot less definite than anything the media ever reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!<br />
The Australian administrators said that take-up of Dore dropped by 50% after a documentary which clearly laid out the issues with the research was broadcast, and the lack of research probably helped stop it getting into schools, so I hope it had at least a bit to do with that.<br />
The frustrating bit is that any journalists would just have had to read the abstracts of the two journal articles published on Dore to see that even there, the results were a lot less definite than anything the media ever reported.</p>
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